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🎙️Episode 13: Digital Co-Pilots: How AI Is Transforming Business and Personal Decision-Making
Artificial intelligence is rapidly becoming an essential co-pilot in our personal and professional lives, offering powerful efficiency gains while presenting important ethical considerations.
• AI serves best as a starting point rather than a complete solution, requiring human refinement and oversight
• Practical business applications include brainstorming, documentation creation, customer service support, and marketing content development
• Personal uses range from meal planning and travel suggestions to health information and creative problem-solving
• AI "hallucinations" present serious risks when the technology confidently provides incorrect information
• Critical thinking remains essential when evaluating AI responses, especially in sensitive areas like health
• Small businesses can leverage AI to compete more effectively through automating routine tasks
• Future education systems will need to evolve beyond memorization to focus on critical thinking and problem-solving
• The preservation of authentic human connection remains vital as AI continues advancing
• AI will transform jobs rather than eliminate them entirely, with adaptation being key to success
Remember to approach AI as a tool rather than the single source of truth – use it to enhance your capabilities while maintaining your critical judgment.
Welcome to the Daily Edge, where we bring you the latest insights, opinions and thought-provoking conversations to give you that competitive edge in life, business and beyond. Let's go, welcome back to the Daily Edge, episode 13. I'm here with my brothers, tj and Todd, and today we're going to talk about artificial intelligence, how it's impacting our personal lives, our professional lives, ways you can integrate it into your business. I'm sure you've heard about it a lot. Some people are using it, which is great. Other people think maybe it's just a nostalgia and you know that it will eventually catch on. But there's some really practical things that you can do now. I use it on a daily basis, I would say as we kind of continue to go on, it's going to become a co-pilot. You know you're going to have AI is going to be able to do a lot of things for you, and the sooner that you can adopt that, probably the better from an efficiency standpoint. But there could be some things that maybe aren't a benefit as well. So I'd like to dive in. Maybe, todd, I will start with you. You know you are the president of IMG and you a large part of your role is focusing on technology for the company, and I think artificial intelligence has been one of those things, but maybe talk about some of the different things we've explored and that you have been focusing on from an efficiency or an automation perspective. Yeah, it's becoming more and more powerful tool.
Speaker 1:I would say the interesting thing about AI is half of the value right now of AI is just understanding the landscape, exploring it. I think it's certainly still evolving and developing. I think what's going to happen, though, it's going to adapt and evolve very fast, and it's going to become more and more valuable really fast, and if you aren't, if you don't at least understand the landscape, you're going to be too far behind to catch up and really take advantage of it. So I think, when I look at a lot of the exploration we're doing, a good portion of that is just familiarizing ourself with the environment. Secondly, what I would say is there is just some really practical things. I think the tough thing about AI is there's a lot of hype, and you're seeing it used and publicized just because people like to see the very exotic uses of AI. You're seeing these very like the. You know it's doing videos of people right, or the deep fakes, or you know things that aren't really practical, and I feel like that is a huge distraction from an AI perspective is just trying to sort through what, if it's hype and there's not really practical applications to yet, and which of it is really valuable and could be used on a day-to-day basis to make people more efficient or effective in their role. And so we've been focused, tried to focus more on the latter. Certainly, we're doing some experimentation, but I'll give you an example.
Speaker 1:As you mentioned, it is a miraculous brainstorming tool when you're trying to explain something, or you have a question about something, or you're looking for it to put together a plan or a set of PowerPoint slides or do some analysis. It is a wonderful starting point and I'll come back and you'll probably hear me say starting point dozens of times, but it is an incredible starting point that you can use. You can input kind of where your thoughts are and it will help kind of pull those together and organize those and give you a starting point that then, at least at today, where the sophistication is, you likely need to do some additional massaging too. But you know, in our industry, our team members, including us, are faced with a lot of different day-to-day challenges of how to explain difficult things to customers. There may be very nuanced questions about products or coverages or very unique situations. Able to ask that question of chat GPT and use it as a starting point or get some initial insight is incredibly valuable and could come up with answers that might otherwise take hours or at least duration days, when you're having to email other people or carriers and wait for responses. And the interesting thing is that's a very, very basic use case of AI.
Speaker 1:Almost anymore like people are so far past that they're talking about all of the again the exotic use cases, I think for AI organizations who win are going to focus on these fundamentals. They're going to take something like that and then they're going to find a way to make it super accessible for employees. They're going to build a platform that makes it extremely easy for that employee to interact with that entity. Now I will tell you one of the things you got to be careful of, especially when you're in a service industry, is inputting sensitive information into these tools, because anything that you put into, like a chat gpt, is used for training and that data could be used in a way that you don't want it to be used. You. You got to be very, very careful about that. So entities, anyone that's using this from a business perspective, if it's not a generic question, I would highly highly encourage you looking into getting a platform and there are platforms out there that do this where you can actually engage with the underlying model, right, artificial intelligence, just to kind of give a little bit of a high overview, what's underneath chat.
Speaker 1:Gpt is something called a large language model that has basically been fed trillions and trillions of bytes of information and articles and websites. I mean it's just taking an insane amount of information and then it's kind of reasoned it as the human brain would and then it's regurgitating it. Right, it learns over time. I heard the analogy the other day used as like a kid learns. When you point to a kid and this is an apple, right, and it doesn't know what an apple is initially, and then you say this is an apple and you show it pictures of this is an apple and this is an apple and this is an apple, then eventually you can give it a picture of an apple that it's never seen before and it can know it's an apple right by the characteristics and different things. So that's how these learn right. They just they see and you continually provide feedback. So just a little bit of a sidebar.
Speaker 1:But going back to fundamentals of taking those use cases, making it very accessible for teams to safely engage and enter in information and questions and get back out of it, I think is where a lot of companies are going to win, at least in this early phase of AI. So let me pause there. So there are a lot of tools out there. So there are a lot of tools out there. How do we know? I mean chat GPT. For those of you who don't know what chat GPT is, maybe we should start there with just kind of brief explanation. Yeah, why don't you?
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, todd kind of really nailed it there when he talked about large language models and chat. Gpt is just OpenAI's version right, is just OpenAI's version right. So I've had experience with, I would say, three or four different AIs. If you will front ends, if you will so Grok their newest beta. I'm a Twitter subscriber so I've been able to engage with that particular platform A little bit with Gemini right Because it's kind of built in the phone. A little bit with gemini right because it's kind of built in the phone. A little bit with mid journey, which was one of the early image ai generation tools so just real quick for people.
Speaker 2:Gemini is google's version of it, grok is elon musk's version of it and then I know, met does meta they do have one I forget what theirs is called and I have a lot of experience with there's also anthropic.
Speaker 2:But anyways, there's a lot of these models that different companies have have created continue and then there's some of the new ones that are being developed overseas, and one of which, deep sea was. It raised a lot of um eyebrows based on how quickly and inexpensively they were able to train the model. I I think that one of the main things to take into consideration, especially as it relates to models being developed stateside or trained stateside, is the exponential cost and the exponential amount of hardware and time that it takes to train these models as they get more and more complex. So that'll be interesting to see. As I'm sure some of you are aware, there've been a lot of issues on the West Coast and other areas as it relates to being able to provide the power necessary to run these. You know tens of thousands of GPUs as they, particularly as they begin to try to train these models. So you know, to kind of add on what you said, I see things very similarly to you.
Speaker 2:I think what's interesting is that especially people that I've seen use this. If you don't massage the data and once you become familiar with AI, it becomes pretty obvious. Like you can, I'm sure any of us have used it enough. If somebody copy and pasted a response from ChatGPT I% with 100% certainty tell you that it was chat GPT that said that. So you know, I think it's important that you say the way you say. It is like for me. I have a very strong um, uh yeah, very strong gap in skillset when it comes to things like Excel. So I will use it a lot of times to build tables and format things for me, because I'm not great in Excel, but it always without fail. I still have some more work to do once. It kind of re-prompts me with what I need from it.
Speaker 1:You said something interesting that I want to touch on. You said I can 100% tell when it's chat GPT. Does that devalue the response?
Speaker 2:It does for me because and this is something I'm gonna have to get over I think that eventually you're just gonna have to swallow your pride and I'll give you a great example. This may lighten the mood a little bit, but this was with him. So, like he said in, I think, our last episode, as it relates to eternize he's, he has to do a lot, um, because you know, it's very important those of us that you know for his vision to continue to be, for him to continue to drive forward the vision. And so I've been on calls where a conversation has come up and before we're off the call, I have a 40 bullet point list in my email that I know came exactly from ChatGPT and you know, you like the, my initial reaction to that is visceral.
Speaker 2:It's like no, that's a shortcut. He cheated, like I want to be able to sit down and and I want to think through these points and I want to provide value and deliver these back and again and we talked about it in our lap last episode around identity I've got to disconnect from that identity. So I think in this transition period, as it becomes more prevalent, there are going to be a lot of instances where I've seen people write emails to send to other peers like executive level emails to send to other peers and I will tell you this and I don't know, I'd love your perspective on it, where you guys sit as well If I got an email from somebody that I could tell you this and I don't know, I'd love your perspective on it where you guys said, as well, if I got an email from somebody that I could tell was that I don't know how I would feel Like they didn't take the time to write it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I think it gets into. I think where this is going to evolve is how people use AI the right way. So, for example, I am on a new email platform that is learning the way I write emails and then when it writes an email for me, it's writing in my tone. So I think there are. To your point, I think there's a very transactional way to use chat GPT that will expose people who are not having some sort of intentionality there, and then there's a way to engage with it as a starting point and or engage with it very intentionally. That, I think will be, will either bring efficiency without losing effectiveness or, in some cases, I think it could enhance effectiveness as well. But I think it's a fair point.
Speaker 1:Here's the interesting part about this. I'm wondering if the irritation or the anger comes from the fact of like it's not important enough for them to take the time to actually do it. They're just doing this and shipping this to me to knock this stuff out, versus like the yeah, for sure, there's like a part of that. It's like well, you're not going to take the time to write the email, to have all these thoughts, you're just going to do this and then send it to me. It's almost like you want me to think it's important, but it's not as important to you. Well, and it's the same thing.
Speaker 2:It's kind of similar to the reaction that I got from his email. I wanted to be able to do that and the harsh reality is that what Chad chat chat GPT, provided as long as it was prompted correctly, is probably better than I could come up with, just because it has more points of reference. I can listen to all the content I want every day, all day, and I'm never going to even come close to matching. Now, if I understand the nuance, if we're talking about targeting a particular demographic from a marketing perspective, and I understand the very intense nuance there um, you know and that comes back to some of these other roles and responsibilities that are to come up from a job perspective, as this evolves, You're going to have and you already do prompting engineers.
Speaker 2:Guys that I was watching someone the other day they've spent two or three weeks writing a prompt to prep the LLM, the large language model, so you had to put this 10 paragraph pre-prompt in to get the large language model to get ready to give you what you I mean. So it's really pretty intense. One thing I do like from a competitive perspective, as it relates to the landscape out there that you kind of referenced, is how these different competitors are iterating. So one of the things that I love about the new X platform with Grok is that in real time, it shows you where it's pulling the information from. So if you ask it a question where it needs to reference the web, it's going to give you the 15 or 20 sources and, as it's, as it's uh, finishing your response as it's doing that, so you can kind of see, okay, I want to understand where it developed its perspective. So I think that's kind of cool.
Speaker 1:I think it's really interesting Cause I I the same way. I, when I feel like someone cheat coded it, I'm kind of like I think it's really interesting because I I the same way I, when I feel like someone cheat coded it, I'm kind of like, um it, I don't I want to say discredit it, but I just I'm kind of irritated. And that was a very something similar when we talked to the whole team about it. They're like you guys have been doing that, I know, and now they know, and they're like oh, they know, it's chat, so there is something to be said where they think this is like super thoughtful, a lot of effort put into it. There's something correlated, I think, with effort and that's where I think it gets disconnected. But I'll tell you a couple of times where we've used it in the other business.
Speaker 1:So my partner, you know, wanted to make standard operating procedures and so he got on his phone and he recorded himself for like two minutes talking about you know this XYZ, and then he took the transcript of that and put it in chat GPT and it, you know it transcribed it. And then he said okay, can you put this in? You know standard operating procedures for this type of company and, you know, within five minutes he had this whole document done based on. You know, he's a practicing attorney, so he's got this knowledge and he was able to pull that together and it would have taken hours it would have taken an hour just to figure out how to format it, and so there's been a couple of instances and it was good stuff.
Speaker 1:Now I know when I get stuff from him now, when it's like I get this bullet point of, like Michael, did you? He's like yeah and so, which is still fine, because to your point, it's a great information, but do you think it could ever be overused? Like, do you lose that personal touch to where? Like I'm similar to you, I use it, especially in the email world. Like I'll type an email up and I'm just like sometimes I'm all over the place and then I'll just copy and paste it and put it in chat GBT and said this is the audience, make it more of this. And then it'll come back and it'll clean it up for me and I'll put that in there. It was my original thoughts, but it sounds a lot better, it sounds more professional. Do you guys find yourself doing that more and more?
Speaker 2:You know, I think actually this just you just prompted me with your comment around email and putting your emails in there for refinement. You know it's been interesting to see different organizations out there implement AI in different ways in their software platform. So one of the products I've used for probably a decade is Grammarly. I don't know if you guys have ever used that, but it's just a. It's a plugin that tries to live as best it can across multiple platforms. So anywhere you would write word email, anything like that, and it's constantly tracking sentence structure, making sure capitalization and punctuation is in the right place.
Speaker 2:Well, you can also now kind of let it know what you feel like you struggle with from a communication perspective. So if I feel like I need to be more assertive in my communication, I can kind of set that so as I'm writing, it'll highlight potential sentences or fragments of sentences and then give me suggestions that may be a little bit more assertive. So instead of having to pull it out of one system, putting it in another, get response back and and then put it back into my email. It's doing it in real time. So you know, I like the way that it's integrated, where it's still my thoughts and still my writing, but it's fixing my punctuation, so I don't come across as somebody who's not intelligent, or it's fixing my spell, fixing my spelling, or it's changing my tone just a little bit. So I like it that way because I do feel like it has the potential to really Gosh.
Speaker 2:This is a strong word but castrate creativity, like. One of the things so I worked with mid journey early on was one of the very first image. I mean to the point that the only way to prompt it was through discord. Uh, and I showed you guys some stuff and it was very it's very heavily at least early on was very heavily tied to um imagery that had like a fantasy feel to it.
Speaker 1:Is that where you made cams?
Speaker 2:Did I make cam on Mid Journey?
Speaker 1:That would be. We'll make sure you can see. He created a-.
Speaker 2:A logo which, let me tell you, that was the luckiest I've ever, I mean, I've created. I'm not kidding. So my wife runs a uh, screen printing business. You guys, you know my wife, Tara, is a screen printing business and and so I've created hundreds of images. Um, you know, we obviously have races and just different things that we need to create logos and things for, and 99% of the time, because the image generation right now is terrible with text, it can't figure it out Whether it's and I think OpenAI used to have a different name for their image generating.
Speaker 1:AI. What's that Dolly?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you know, I think it has like it. Just to me, right now the output feels very generic and very similar to what we talked about as it relates to the text. You can tell when it's an AI image and so we had to do a new, a brand new shirt for the Fulmo this year. I wanted to do something different than just a logo and I got on Fiverr and paid somebody a couple hundred dollars to do it, because I just I know that if you were to look at this shirt, you'd be like oh, chad GPT did that it's really interesting, because I feel like there's an attachment to effort.
Speaker 1:But if you choose to outsource something and spend $200 to outsource it, you're basically doing the same thing, right Like you're not doing it, but we look at that. That feels differently to me to outsource it than if someone chat GPT'd it, I think so. I mean, I think there's this element of it's the same reason that people like unique pieces of art. The fact that art is produced in a manufacturing facility and there's hundreds of thousands of people that can access it devalues it for some people, and so I think that's part of the issue. Although you'd have to have the exact same prompt at the exact same time, there is something that I think devalues it that it's just readily accessible to everybody.
Speaker 2:And there's still a feel to it. It's like the same artist, right, he could painted 300 different paintings. Eventually, you're going to you know whether that's good or bad, and I think in this instance and this is just an opinion it would get bad If an artist goes out and paints a hundred million paintings. You know there's no real. You know the word bastardized is probably most appropriate. It's like there's no real emotional connection to it. I think that it loses the humanity which is, you know, interesting to it. I think it loses the humanity which is interesting to say.
Speaker 1:When we think of oh, you have something, go ahead. I was just going to ask you guys from a personal perspective so we've talked a little bit about business what are the most common ways you've used it personally? I mean we've talked about a lot of different. Let me get it out and tell you about it. Okay, perfect, I think people would. I mean, we've talked about a lot of different. Let me get it out and tell you about it. Okay, perfect, I think people would understand, like because I think what I'm continually surprised by and I still continue to forget is like I could ask ChatGPT that or gosh I should have at least checked there as a starting point, and it's unbelievable how many you just you don't naturally go there, so I think people understanding, like what types of things you could even take there, I'm going to take you through.
Speaker 1:I'll try to make it under five minutes, but a whole use case. So me and I was at a volleyball tournament, the Hammond Sports Complex in Hammond, indiana. My first question how many square feet is this complex? It was laid out it was the best one that I've seen that has 10 volleyball slash, basketball courts and soccer. And I get the response the Hammond Sportsplex is 135,000 square foot facility located here. Blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1:And then I said how many acres would you need to build something like this? Well, to build that facility you would need approximately 10 to 15 acres of land. Here's a breakdown of the space 3.1 acres. To build it, you need parking lots three to 500 square foot parking spaces. Assume five to 700 spaces, four to six acres plus three to five. And so then it gives you the total and the ideal. And then I said well, how do these facilities make enough money to cover the 30? Because I asked that before that, how much it costs to cover a $30 million build. And then it went in facility rentals, leagues and tournaments, and each one of these had four bullets membership and training programs, sponsorships and and naming rights, concessions and retail, government community funding, other revenue streamed. And then it said estimated estimated revenue potential per year, um, and so like. Really quick, within five minutes I knew how much it cost when it was built. I even prompted it to ask how much it would cost in today's dollars, and so it did. The calculation of like here was the inflation from 2018 to 2025, and the cost would go up 38%. And this is what it would be the size of ground you would need.
Speaker 1:I knew everything I wanted to know about it and I didn't get into a lot of detail, but when I have curiosity, questions about like oh, you know, maybe this is this or I want to do this, let me try to find one more. It's a really good place, I think, to start. I've done it for some health things, or like hey, I'm having this going on in my life. You know what possibly could be going wrong? I've also taken it to where I've told it all about myself. Here's my history.
Speaker 1:I've literally typed in everything that I remember about myself and I've asked it to do things like hey, can you give me I got to give a speech, you know, can you give me eight slides about summarizing the highlights of my life? Right, and it'll put it in format data that I can take it and take it to PowerPoint or it can make them themselves. So those random, one-off questions where I think you go to Google now or you go to some search engine and it pops up 15, you know sites for you to go. Try to pull it all together. You ask those same questions in chat GPT. Then you're like, oh you know, maybe you're having a bottle of wine, like I wonder where this wine's from, I wonder how much it costs Chat GPT, da-da-da-da. And it actually gives you. I found a very accurate answer in most cases.
Speaker 2:So this is very interesting. This is going to open a political firestorm, but I'll give it to you anyway. So I've used it a ton for health lately, obviously with rheumatoid arthritis diagnosis and the calf strain and the foot fracture and all of these things, or stress reaction. I've been talking a lot to it, a lot about these different things, and I've found some intriguing. Intriguing responses. And I think it's counter to what you hear, because a lot of the major podcasters you know, I know Joe Rogan is famous for saying you know it's, you know it's diagnosing these things with this incredibly specific accuracy and it's some odd percent accurate. Well, I'll give you a couple things that it gave me back. So one of them I was diagnosed with RA the day after I had gotten an MRI on my foot for a stress reaction and I got a call on that MRI. So MRI Tuesday, ra diagnosis Wednesday, mri result on Thursday. And they came back and they said, yeah, so you've got a stress reaction on your foot, you've got this inflammation here and you've got this inflammation here and you've got this inflammation here. It was both my perineal tendons and my plantar fascia. I said okay. So I asked Chad GPT. I said hey, um, could an RA flare up affect the MRI? And it's like, oh yeah, absolutely, you know, and here's 5,000 reasons why it could. Well, had I listened to it, I could have broken my foot, because it turns out there was a stress reaction. It didn't affect that particular whatever. So importance of a doctor. But here's the one where I was saying this is kind of a political firestorm, so let's think back to COVID. Okay, so we think back to COVID. Okay, so we think back to COVID. We think about a lot of the early back and forth on how to treat it. Right, there was the way to treat it via one side, which was vaccine, vaccine, vaccine. And then there was the other way to treat it, which was hydrochloroquine and some of these other solutions to the problem. Right, one side was vilified, one side was not. This is in 2020.
Speaker 2:So I, for my rheumatoid arthritis, was prescribed hydrochloroquine. I'm like, oh, this is interesting Because, again, we've talked about identity. One of the things I love to do and where some of my identity lies is running. So the first thing I do is hey. So I'm feeling like I've listened to all of these people talk about you know, I know, again, hydrochloric was a Rogan thing and they talked about like how it's one of the most utilized drugs in the world and it's gone through all of this and that and the other thing and it's super safe.
Speaker 2:So I asked Chad GBT, I said, give me the top 20 safest drugs available. And it didn't make the list. And I'm like, well, that's weird. And I said, what about hydrochloroquine? And it kind of gives me this response and it mentions you know, it can affect your heart rhythm in a negative manner. So as an endurance athlete, I would recommend against this and look for other solutions to your rheumatoid arthritis. I'm like, well, that's strange. And I said, well, what percentage of patients with rheumatoid arthritis experience these issues? And I ask it to give me and this is what gives me the results, I said, and they mentioned COVID in these results, and they said that 10% of people who took this for COVID had an issue with their heart. Well, as you can imagine, like yo, you don't take a 10% risk, like not even close. And so I'm like, goodness, well, this has to be what informed the broader recommendation for me not to touch it. But then I ask it about RA Over a five-year period that patients were tested, do you know what percent experienced this 0.08.
Speaker 2:Tested, do you know what percent experienced this? 0.08. So what it had done potentially and you know there was a lot of this when it was in its infancy around the way it would respond to certain questions and the way it would respond to certain problems leaned a particular way. Potentially and I'm not saying this is the case, but because it wanted to paint hydrochloroquine in this negative light, saying, hey, it causes this problem. That's why you shouldn't take it. You should take this Damn near sent me down an absolute rabbit hole of panic attack. We're talking orders of magnitude difference. So that's another thing with AI is we always have to think about what the underlying information is that's going into it yeah and ai.
Speaker 1:One of the things that they talk about on ai is they call them hallucinations. Ai is not good at saying I don't know. It is really good at making stuff up if it doesn't have the answer. So it will blatantly make up answers, and that's one of the huge problems right now with it, that they haven't fully figured out yet. It doesn't know when to say I don't know or express a level of confidence with an answer, and so the challenge with that is, even if 99 out of 100 answers is correct or 99, you know 9 or 99 of 1000, not knowing which one that is is very problematic. So that's why knowing enough about a subject and a topic area to be able to discern the accuracy is extremely important.
Speaker 1:Because if I told you here's a thousand pills and one of them is going to kill you or what you know, obviously having a wrong answer isn't necessarily that severe, but when it gets to health there could it could be a lot more severe than people perceive. That's problematic. I'm probably not taking any of those pills, so I think that is something that's going to. But what I? Just to comment on that more broadly and some of the things that you were saying prior, this is a lot of the beauty of just learning. This is learning how to use it, that you can change the tone, that you just have to worry about. Think about how to prompt it differently. Like these are all the learnings that are so important because, as it advances and there are fewer or less hallucinations or gosh, if they figure that problem out altogether or it can do you know more sophisticated things. You're ready to engage with that and take advantage of that, versus learning all these things you know once it gets there.
Speaker 2:I have a really interesting one that I love your perspective on from a societal standpoint. So this is probably a couple of weeks ago. So my middle daughter is my challenge. We've talked about my history and I think that she is going to, like they say, like your parents always tell you, I hope you have one of your own. In a lot of ways, she is a handful and she figured out how to create her own YouTube channel and not tell us. And she started uploading all of this stuff to her YouTube channel and we had no idea until somebody told us. But she wanted to go live, like that's what she wanted to do, and you need to have a certain number of subscribers on YouTube to be able to go live. And we obviously found out about this, blocked everything, shut it down, like what are you doing? And she then tells me that there is this app I do not know what it is called. I'm sure we can look it up and throw a link or whatever but it allows you to go live to an AI audience.
Speaker 2:So you as a kid and I've seen these news stories I believe there's an AI friend, if you will, out there that has convinced at least a single person to commit suicide, like has encouraged suicidal type behavior. I've heard about that. You heard about that story, yeah, you know, and so I really wonder like that to me. I mean, you know we talked in a prior episode about the shifting of appreciation of skill sets that are not, at least currently, within the capacity of artificial intelligence. I wonder how you guys feel about something like that. That. Can really you talk about Instagram filters today, altering people's perceptions of what's real? If you're able to go live to 10,000 people like I, I just can't you think about what happens to. I think in an episode a couple of weeks ago or months ago, we talked about child stars and like the massive fall from grace because they're used to this. So I just like your, your kind of input and your thoughts on that.
Speaker 1:Well, I there's a couple of things I want to go back to. You talked about Gosh dang. I lost my train of thought. You want to go ahead. I was just going to say I think it's dangerous. I mean, I think it's extremely dangerous.
Speaker 1:It goes back to Trent's question Will AI be abused? Absolutely it will be. It'll be abused and overused and everything that is. You know, any new type of technology is used toxically. I mean, look at Facebook. Facebook, when it first came out, was a very good like. It was a good thing way to stay connected to people. There are a lot of good fundamentals about that and people just find a way to capitalize on things for financial reasons, for other egotistical reasons. There's a lot of toxic human needs and innate things that we have built into us that will result in people. I mean, there are billions of people out there, so some percentage of them which unfortunately, even a very small percentage, is a very large number of people will do things that just feed them, either financially, egotistically or in other some sick sort of way. Yeah, I would agree with that. I remember.
Speaker 1:What I wanted to go back to is accuracy. Do you feel like accuracy is any less different than a Google search. I mean, I think you do have to be careful how you prompt and what you prompt about, like your health. You should always consult a doctor or a physician. You should get a second opinion.
Speaker 1:But people have been self-diagnosing on WebMD and all kinds of information out there and there is a lot of contradiction, especially in health. Do you feel like the accuracy is much different than any of the other resources out there? I don't think it's about the accuracy, it's about people's perception of the accuracy. I think that's where the problem is, because if I go to some random guy on the street and I say, hey, what do you think about implementing AI in a business, right? And he says some things I'm going to be like okay and it's going to go one way or the other, I may consider it a little bit based on his experience. But I think, because chat GPT is so impressive in so many ways and so sophisticated and, as I think people are giving it a very, their expectations of the quality of the answers are extremely, extremely high, and so that's what makes it so dangerous when it gets it wrong is because people run with it. It's like no information is better than bad information.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, because I mean, if you look at the way that computers have evolved, you know initially they were doing it was very concrete, very concrete things right, so it was doing calculations.
Speaker 2:Computations, computations essentially, and then I think the way we've always perceived the internet is a little softer. Right, it was this different thing. It was more an amalgamation of information and societal perspectives and things like that and societal perspectives and things like that, where the way chat, gpt or other front ends Grok, it's presented like a, in a way where it feels more like a calculator. Right, you input this thing into here and it spits you back out. This result versus, you know, in large part on the internet today, you're well, some people are, some people aren't. But if you're looking for the right perspective, you're kind of cobbling that together yourself and you're well, some people are, some people aren't. But if you're looking for the right perspective, you're kind of cobbling that together yourself and you're exploring different areas. So-.
Speaker 1:I mean in their defense, they've done a good job putting more disclosures on some of the answers, but the reality is people just have a tendency to ignore it. And if a chat GPT has impressed me, like it's impressed you guys, and we've just been blown away by the quality of the answers, you were at a position where you were ready to run with that answer because it had not failed you in a meaningful way up until that point. Yeah, I would be curious your guys' thoughts on so there are some critical. I think you put some good holes in.
Speaker 1:But on day-to-day you're asking, you have a dozen, I don't know how many questions you're asking a day, but going week or four, I'm sorry, one month or four week plan and three meals a day, based on the Mediterranean diet, and it literally went through and planned out 30 days, every single meal, every single measurement of. So, like you, we, we had a meal plan that was based to X diet. Within two seconds. Another thing that we used it for was like create a scavenger hunt for, you know, kids this age with this theme and boom, it would give you all the prompts, like from a creative standpoint and some of those things that you know we could spend hours and hours upon. Do you guys have any other examples the way you've used it to maybe solve some problems?
Speaker 2:Well, here's where I think that it goes and here's where I think it gets more. I think the problem with it now and this will go into the answer to your question is that, for all instances, the popular AI models right now are generic. They don't do, they're not specific to something. So I'll think of two areas where you mentioned the Mediterranean diet. So I look at like, how specific apps with very specific purposes and very specific visions for things implement AI, and I'm going to start with this one right here, and you know it turn eyes in the way that Todd has implemented AI in the application itself and I guess I'll let him kind of expound on it.
Speaker 2:But you know it's done with a specific context and with a specific vision in mind, so that you're getting it's kind of it's kind of been pre-prompted, if you will, so that you're getting, um, a more thoughtful response than you know. The reason that came to mind was because, um, you, you mentioned the Mediterranean diet and I think we're seeing some fitness and nutrition apps out there utilize it to one of the coolest one, and I can't remember the name of there's. Actually, you mentioned the Mediterranean diet and I think we're seeing some fitness and nutrition apps out there. Utilize it to one of the coolest one and I can't remember the name of there's actually three or four that do this where you can take a picture of your meal and it can roughly estimate the calories.
Speaker 1:That's incredible. Well you can shoot cute QR codes now. Well, you've been able to do that. No, I mean, you can actually take a picture of the meal, the food itself, and it can estimate roughly like oh, that's incredible.
Speaker 2:Hey, we took a picture of a dessert the other day and it estimated it at 1200 calories and it was like 1350. So like within margin of error, but that's a very specific application within a very you know you chat, gpt is probably not going, they're not going to spend the time required to get you that quality. So like the scavenger hunt thing makes sense. But like I'd like to again go back to having you kind of explain the way that you've implemented it with Eternize and that's the way that I see it being used on a daily basis is through these other apps that deliver the experience more thoughtfully.
Speaker 1:What I think TJ is hitting on. That, I think, is important, and we just talked about this recently. I think the other aspect of winning with chat GPT is starting with a problem and considering chat GPT as a potential solution to help solve that problem. What a lot of people are doing right now is they're taking chat GPT as an answer and they're going and looking for a problem to solve. To me, that's a really backwards way to think about it and it's going to end poorly. So in each and every one of the things that you can do with your cross is you can send prayers to other people anywhere in the world that you're connected with on your cross, that have a connection, and I know a lot of times you have people that are dealing with particular things. You're sending them a prayer because they're going through something right. They're going through some sort of injury or pain or heartache or depression or you know something, and some may be less, more trivial than others, but a lot of times I found myself wanting to draw on scripture, right, someone who has some sort of spiritual orientation sees scripture as inspirational. So the way we program this is when you're going to send someone a prayer, you can click a button that says find relevant scripture and you can put in whatever topic you want five words or less, just a short topic of like fear or anxiety or stress or death or whatever and it will pull back the top five scripture verses and you can even say try again if you don't like those and it'll go get five more, but the scripture verses that tie. That you can then send to that person with that prayer, which, again, that was an approach that we took because we had a problem that we were looking to solve. How can we make it very easy for someone to provide something very relevant and inspiring to another community connection and that's where I've seen it used most successfully is people having a problem and then looking at it as a solution.
Speaker 1:I will go through just a couple of things that I've used it for Kids. Kids are bored. Kids are bored at the house. They were off school for like two days for parent-teacher conferences. What are some activities that they could do? Whole list of things that they could do kept the kids busy. Another one was healthy meal ideas for kids. So I'd mentioned we're doing the four meals in a previous podcast and it helped with some ideas there, the quarterly trips, the day trips hey, what are some good ideas for a father-son, you know, one-on-one trip, so I think, just things that you would normally have to spend a lot of brainpower solving.
Speaker 1:This isn't going to give you the perfect answer. It's not going to give you the right thing. The more you know how to prompt it and the more information you give it and the more you know how to engage with it, the better the answers will be. And it's still going to, at least at this point, take a little bit of refinement. But those are some of the ideas.
Speaker 1:I will say this is not a shocker, but my boys have started to set goals and one of them for Oliver was soccer goals. Now he's eight years old and like, what kind of soccer goals do you set that's good for an eight-year-old? Well, I went to chat to BT hey, what are some soccer goals that uh, uh I shouldn't say goals, uh, relating to soccer, that you know would be appropriate for an eight-year-old? That gave us a grade of ideas and we could choose from that. So I just think there's an endless number of use cases, of just problems, questions, challenges that we face on a daily basis and our instinct is to try and think through them and solve them and be you know when.
Speaker 2:It's a wonderful starting point I like the way and I think it's going to be used a lot. You know, like the way you talked about the sop um, one of the things that I'll be using it for. So I'm working with a brand new, taking a brand new approach to some influencer work. We're doing with one of the products that we've produced and I will have it write the contract. Like it's just, you know, and we can spot check it, but like those types of things that would have been a paralegal's job or you know, I think that those are the types of things and you know, I look, the different stuff that I've used before.
Speaker 2:Like I said, a lot of it's health. I mean, I used it as recently as yesterday, you know health stuff. I had it extrapolate and, again, these are things you could probably do pretty easily yourself, but it makes it 10 times easier. I needed, you know, we have X number of people signed up for this race, but I need to have a minimum order quantity of the shirts. It's almost double that number. So I needed to extrapolate out what the shirt sizes would be based on the percentage of the shirts. And you know, of course I could have figured that out Right. The math's not hard but it took chat GPT seven seconds. I just pasted in the this the you know cells from the spreadsheet and it was done. So like those types of things for me are really, it's really beneficial in those where where there's a concrete output that's generated, you know.
Speaker 1:Productivity. I mean, we spent a lot of time on that on the last episode and I think what we're hearing is I struggle with creativity, so a lot of the things that you've talked about are similar to me. I'm prompting it for different ideas for things, cause I'm like what do we do or where should we go, and I find that it really helps from that standpoint. But as we go through and we're using these different tools for me, it's making me much more productive, right, and I feel like I can be more thorough, which is something that I'm not. I'm not as thorough, so I would recommend and you guys, I would love your opinion on this but spending 15, 20, 25 minutes putting in normal things that you deal with. If you're a homemaker, you're going to have challenges and things what do I cook tonight, or what do I do this, or if you work in a business, there are personal things that we talk about every single day that we can get some really good information on. Maybe health is one of those kind of gray areas, but there's some really good stuff out there. Would you guys agree, because we've talked about the pros and the cons and I'm kind of curious where you land on it. Should this be part of someone's daily? I don't want to call it a chore, but should this be part of someone's daily life? Yes, used in the right way and prompted in the right way. 100% should be used in daily life and it's just a good example of what we've talked with in prior episodes One, being open-minded to it, right Of doing things a different way, and then, two, taking the time to learn how to interact with it. It's not going to. It's actually going to probably cost you time initially to figure out how to use it. It's not going to. It not gonna. Nothing's a magic. You know it's not a magic wand, but you take the time that could create the 30 minutes in a day, the extra 30 minutes that you need to work out, or that you need to go sit in a sauna or get a massage or whatever that is, or a week or whatever. 100% it should be a part. It's probably. I use it probably two or three times a week and I should be using it two or three times a day.
Speaker 1:Frankly, I think people are. My first reaction when I come out is I know a lot people are nervous where's my job gonna go? What? What am I gonna do? Is this gonna take my job? One of my partners is an attorney and I know even a lot of what he is able to do because he's got legal software where it can go out, depending on the problem he has. In the past he would have to go find all the statutes and pull them, and it actually goes and pulls the statutes that are correlating to X case. Now he still has to review and go through it, but the hours of pulling the information and research has really kind of condensed it. Where do you see? Where do you see it? But the hours of pulling the information, research has really kind of condensed it. Where do you see AI interfacing and how do you think it's going to affect the current workforce?
Speaker 2:I think the most important thing is adopting it and embracing it and learning about it. And you're going to figure out. You know, one of the unique things about me is the last few positions that I've held professionally. I have developed myself, so I just kind of get hired and kind of figure it out. And I think that's going to have to happen with this. And the less you know about it, the less you're willing to embrace it, the more difficult it's going to be to figure out where you can best complement your skill set with what it offers you. So I don't know where it's going to go from here.
Speaker 2:I think certain things, like you know, like you just said, I think if that from a legal perspective, the trajectory continues there, I think the bar gets set a ton higher If you as a judge or you as a jury or you as someone else. Higher. If you as a judge or you as a jury or you as someone else understands that now all of these statutes are there at your fingertips and it's much easier to get them, maybe the burden of proof gets raised. You know, again, I'm kind of speaking outside of my area of expertise, so excuse me if that's completely incorrect. But point being is, you know, when you talk about creativity and maybe you're trying to come up with a tagline for something, and in the past it was really valued when a creative person could give you five or six taglines. Well now chat GPT can give you 70 and you can narrow that down to the 10 you like.
Speaker 2:You know that requires that creative person to. You know that requires that creative person to maybe provide value at a different layer, like, okay, it gave us this foundation Now. So you know that part of my job which can because it's the most subjective part can oftentimes be the most difficult to get agreement on. I know when you guys went through rebranding, that was really difficult with the logo and the. But once that's established and you've kind of come to an agreement there, then taking it and to the next level up and disseminating it out across the different elements that you have in play that are front-facing for your business is easier. So maybe they lose that part. But that's great. They don't have to have hours and hours of meetings. But if you're not up to speed on what it can do for you, then you don't know how you're going to be able to utilize it to your benefit or how you're going to be able to integrate with its capabilities.
Speaker 1:I think you're going to see it impact the workforce in a couple of different ways. I think initially you're probably going to see it impact the workforce in some toxic ways, and what I mean by that is you're going to see leaders start to devalue people. They're going to see an opportunity to replace a hundred or $150,000 employee with things coming straight from chat GPT. And I think that pendulum will swing back over time because I think people will slowly realize that the quality of what's coming out chat GPT isn't providing the return and it doesn't have the intelligence, at least at this point, to incorporate some of the nuances and other things to have high quality recommendations. So I I see some business owners abusing it and using it as an opportunity to over swing the pendulum too far. But I what I just searched is what are the 10 things chat gpt is not good at?
Speaker 1:because I think that you type that in chat, gpt, yeah, I took it in chat gpt and it said chat gpt is not good at Because I think that ultimately but you typed that in chat GPT. Yeah, I typed it in chat GPT and it said chat GPT is great for many things, but it does have limitations. Real-time or up-to-minute information it's not good at Deep domain-specific expertise, provides general insights, but lacks the depth of specialists in fields like law, medicine, engineering, creativity with strict constraints, complex reasoning over long context, mathematical proofs and multi-step calculations, sensitive or ethical issues't. I think there the one thing that I didn't see. There is relationships, right that I think.
Speaker 1:While it can navigate some of that, I don't know, you know so businesses that are based on relationships I don't know that there's going to be a lot going on there, but in terms of job responsibilities, at least in the next few decades or a couple of decades, but job responsibilities that have a predictable nature to them, I think over time, depending on the appetite of the business owner, could start to shift.
Speaker 1:But I think the other thing that you have to think about that, I think, is why some of this stuff takes longer to adopt is customers don't want to call and talk to AI. They don't like AI. Verbal, verbal kind of dialogue is going to have to get much better for people to not to be able to discern that because You've got the automated response systems and people don't like that. So there's going to be a resistance from your general consumer. That, I think, is going to preserve a lot of jobs and employment in the short term because of those hesitations. Now, that certainly changes over time, but I remember this was probably a decade ago when Zuckerberg was talking about there may be a point in our lifetimes where there is a uh, what do they call that?
Speaker 1:where basically everyone gets money like they um, uh, it's uh something like a stipend, essentially like basically, everyone will get a stipend income something basic income.
Speaker 2:I'll think of it ubi. Universal basic income, yes. Universal basic income yes universal basic income.
Speaker 1:So we're basically because things are so efficient and there's so much money being circulated and that we'll all kind of get universal basic income to where we can survive, and then there's opportunities to earn revenue in different ways. But, at the end of the day, what this does in my mind, if you look at the workforce, it encourages learning and it probably amplifies and magnifies and multiplies the value for the people who take the time to learn and continue to grow and develop in the face of this grow around this grow to supplement this. Those people who are able to take the time to navigate that and spend that time developing. I think they're going to be the winners. One of the things that I heard AI will not replace your job. Somebody using AI might. It's just going to make people much more efficient, much more productive, to really embrace it.
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 1:I have another twist on this unless you got something, no go ahead.
Speaker 1:We're talking about this. There's kind of two different areas. I want to talk about One. I want to talk about specifically businesses and how they could use it, especially small businesses, because they're generally struggling from a resource standpoint and they lack people. So I want to go into that realm. The other realm I want to talk about is education for kids now and where the jobs and how we see that evolving and how that's going to be a little bit more out there. So maybe first we go to business, let's touch a couple of those and then we'll go back to current education system and how to blend that in.
Speaker 1:Well, I'll speak from a couple of different experiences I've had. I'm a entrepreneur. I've got one business that I am basically just starting. It's TJ and I and some others, dakota and a few advisors that are helping pull this together, and so it's very scrappy and I would say, you know, for me, using that as a starting point as much as possible is just a huge, huge time saver, and I talked a little bit about this early on. I won't go through all that again, but I think using it to spawn ideas, develop plans, ask for recommendations, marketing ideas there's a lot of plans that you need to put together when you're starting a company. It's like and things you don't know. You don't know Like I've used it for product specifications, how should I test this product, or how should I market this product, or hey, and again, this is like an art right Of interacting.
Speaker 1:A lot of this for the coaching for small business owners is just get in there and play around and learn. You know you might get some. You'll get some good things, you'll get some bad things, but the learning I just can't understate the value there. And then you know, from an IMG perspective, more established businesses I would just really encourage just stick to the fundamentals. Stick to the fundamentals and help your teams learn and understand how to engage with this. Run competitions, you know, within your team.
Speaker 1:If you have a team of like who can come up with the best prompts or how to use it, incentivize them to get in there and use that. Uh, teach them, guide them, coach on hey, here are the things you can use it for, cause, honestly, it's a very intimidating tool. That's what I've found with a lot of people. It's like, you know, I think we're all naturally a little bit early adopters by nature, so it's like hey, let's go in there and type around. For a lot of people it's like Whoa, like this is this whole big, huge thing. I don't know what to do or what to type here, and so I think, just getting in and mixing it up, breaking down some of those barriers, that's what I would say on the topic.
Speaker 2:What would you add I'll go kind of education on this you just-.
Speaker 1:Are you going to switch to the whole education in general?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Can I-? Yeah, go ahead. Let me jump in with a few of mine. So for small businesses, I would definitely say ads, marketing, like hey, I own this type of business. What are some different strategies?
Speaker 1:I was working with a company that you know prompted some stuff and it gave them like the top seven things you should be doing from a marketing standpoint to gain a customer base. And then it said, okay, well, help me create you know all the social media posts for the next you know 30 days, and it created the social media posts so you can use it to help you advertise in a meaningful way. It can create ads, it can create specific ads to your industry and it will save you an incredible amount of time and you obviously have the ability to tweak anything. But marketing was a really big one. I was talking to someone the other day that's actually building similar to what we're doing, where they're setting it up to be able to review deals so they'll be able to take financials, plug, just drop the financials in there and it'll know how to analyze a deal to decide which one of like. They have 13 deals and they want to find out which is the best one and they have to put the parameters in there, but it's going to be able to analyze financials. So that's probably going to take a little bit more and it's probably not just your standard GPT chat, gpt prompting, so that's another one.
Speaker 1:Another thing we're looking at is video how to put video in. We haven't used any of this yet, but one of the really cool softwares is Hygen is one of them and you can create, you can upload a video of yourself, like if I had a two minute video of me talking about something, and it takes your mannerisms and your voice and your image and then, once it has it, you can go in and type in a paragraph and it'll talk that paragraph just like you, which is somewhat scary. They said you should start having code words in your family to people actually know it's you that that software is out there and maybe you should start having code words in your family to people actually know it's you that that software is out there and maybe you don't want your image out there. But if you're in a business that talks to people a lot or you're doing webinars and seminars, once you've done that and you can recreate that easily, that's another advantage, probably a little bit more sophisticated Copilot was, is Microsoft's version.
Speaker 1:I know Excel I'm not good either on the Excel things but now you can type in a prompt like take all this data and create a table. You can literally type it out in paragraph form, which is really cool. So I think there's a lot of practical uses. Finance I think marketing is probably the one that there's the most opportunity there versus hiring a firm, cause it can do logos, it can do some of that other stuff. So I would encourage you, if you have a small business, to get in there and play around with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would say that too. I would encourage you to play around with it. I would push back on the marketing side of things because I'm interested to see how this plays out Specifically. We look at like, uh, each and eyes. You know, we have a very interesting target market and the target market we have is very specific to Todd and our group of advisors and the people that surround them. So we understand at a very nuanced level, based on daily interactions with people like this, who we are targeting, and I've seen people and I'm just I'm not saying it's good, right, wrong or indifferent, but you know, I um mentioned something.
Speaker 2:I mentioned, uh, corey earlier and I know he utilizes it and I wonder if, from a marketing perspective, and it's like okay to grow my Instagram account, how many posts do I need to have a week? Um, what are these? So it like builds out um, I mean, you can kind of see where I'm going with this right, it builds the post, it builds the schedule, it pulls the hashtags, all of these things. I wonder if it's going to be perceived and I don't know this yet same with the logos that it creates, if it's going to end up being like the scarlet letter, like you're gonna recognize oh, this is AI doing this versus oh. Because I think with marketing you're doing your best to convey your vision and the passion you have for whatever it is you're delivering to that person, like that's the goal. I want my verbiage to be a specific way the way the sentences are structured, the way that the images are laid out, the emotion that it pushes forward or that it pulls from the consumer. You want this in a very specific manner and I wonder if, based on what ChatGPT said about itself, I wonder if it will come across too cold. So I do agree with play around and get out of it what you can, because that was going to be my commentary.
Speaker 2:I know I tried to jump to education a little bit too quickly there, but my commentary was good. I've used what you're talking about. So we have to train thousands of people in my organization. So we have used that. We've used similar software where you just type it in and then this avatar of myself or one of my coworkers speaks to people. Again, it gets the job done and if it's not an area that you have the money to hire for, it gets the job done, and if it's not an area that you have the money to hire for or not, an area of expertise. We've used it as kind of a filler, because there are other levels, other levers we pull to get sales associates to engage Would you say that differs based on company size, because I'm focusing on small business, who are probably less than 10 employees.
Speaker 1:We're small too, though I would say starting point again, it's not that it's just not going to come off hot off the press, ready to go at high quality. I think, brainstorming starting point. The other thing I would say, maybe to just put a pin in this, is ask ChatGPT, tell them what your small business is and ask it what you should use it for. It'd be interesting what the response would be I think it's a great compliment.
Speaker 2:Like you said, if you've got 10 people and you have 10, you have 10 things they're great at and 40 things they're not. And if you can use it for those 40 things, you use it for those 40 things. That that would be. You know, if you figure out you can do that, that I would.
Speaker 1:I would agree with it's pretty remarkable when we've even gone in and we know at IMG the best ways to scale the agency and we go in and say, well, what's the top ways to scale an independent agency? And it comes back and after a two-day session of our leadership team it pretty much nailed it of like these are the things. Then it's like okay, well, verticals is a big thing, create a vertical. So if create a vertical, so we're going to create a vertical on X. What are some of the points? And like it, I think, to your point. It doesn't get you all the way there, but it sure as heck gives you a lot of data to get us even closer and I found it to be relatively accurate, I think in your larger marketing schemes emotional maybe, but if you're just trying to get some basic information out the door, I think it can be really powerful. It could save a lot of time.
Speaker 2:If you're an organization, that, if you're an influencer, right, there's no way in hell you want it doing that, you know, like if that's where you're bread and butter. But if you're somebody like a, like an insurance agency, where a lot, in a lot of instances, social media is kind of checking the box or at least certain social media platforms you Instagram may just be checking the box. Let's make sure we get a post out to keep it consistent and provide an opportunity for open engagement with our customer base.
Speaker 1:But you don't think influencers are using AI for?
Speaker 2:a hundred percent they are, but I'm saying like you don't want to use if you're an Instagram model or whatever, so not an Instagram model. So, uh, I you know. You know that, um, I happen to have a relationship where my boss's wife is a very successful influencer, um, with over somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 million followers. But she has built perspective on her audience and her two main platforms, especially now it's more Instagram, maybe a little bit of TikTok, but she has learned who her audience is over 10 years. So she's not going to ask ChatGPT to plan out her posts and what the content needs to be. She's learned that over time. I think if you're maybe a brand new influencer and you're a YouTuber and you need to do Instagram maybe, then you ask it and it compliments you in that regard. But I think it's just this push and pull as it relates to what your experience is and where you're at in the life cycle of whatever it is you're growing.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think what you're saying is be careful outsourcing your core competency to chat GPT yeah, the thing that is your differentiator, or the thing that is like your bread and butter that just be careful using it as much more than a brainstorming tool, because the temptation will be there to take it and run with it, because we're all looking to get done with it quickly. So I think the cautions are legitimate, especially as it relates to things that are really unique aspects of your business.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it'll just be interesting to see how it unfolds, right? Because, at the basis of all of this, one of the things it's not great at is relationships, and you get patronage for relationships. People work with your company because of the relationships you've built with them. At is relationships, and you know you get patronage for relationships. You know people work with your company because of the relationships you've built with them. People go to restaurants because of the way they're treated Like you're the world's biggest consumer of first watch, because of the way they treat you like your family there, and so when it comes to those types of things that it's not good at, that it may not understand.
Speaker 2:It's going to be interesting to see how it gets implemented, uh, when it needs to. You know, if we talk about, if we talk about implementing it in social media, one of the big things is just authentic engagement. You know, um and and YouTubers, especially younger ones, we see this now ourselves. We see this now ourselves. We are small enough that we're reading comments and that's informing how we do things, and we wouldn't get any of that information or any of that feedback. I wouldn't think if we were overly generic with what we were putting out there, just checking the box.
Speaker 1:Education. Yeah, I think that's a good pivot to education. So, from an educational standpoint, we have kids. Where chat gbt is now they said in the next six months they're gonna it's probably gonna continue to double I think we're at 4.5 right now, just to give context but that it's gonna accelerate. We have our kids, most of them, in traditional schools, getting a traditional education. There's obviously specialties out there, there's homeschooling, there's a lot of different options, but you know, one of the things I remember going through as a student was memorizing things and there's just a lot of stuff in there that you don't really need to do anymore. And so how do you think our current education needs to pivot, if at all, in order to get our kids ready to be able to use these tools because they're going to be prevalent in most jobs in every context?
Speaker 2:I'm going to let you go because I'm going to get wildly existential with my response.
Speaker 1:My response to that is the education system is already a few decades behind, and that's no fault of any teachers. I mean, it's one of the most wonderful professions. It's just such a massive system and it is so hard to move entities and systems that are that large and have that much regulation around them. For understandable reasons, because it's super important to get kids educated, and so there are these minimum standards and it's extremely complex. I think. To answer your question briefly, yes, ai is going to call for substantial amounts of reform to the educational system and that's probably going to happen fairly slowly. I mean, when we look at the educational system now, my opinion of the educational system is largely for two purposes, maybe three. One, it's to teach problem solving purposes maybe three. One it's to teach problem solving there's all kinds of problems being solved and second, it's a test of discipline, and the people that come out of high schools and colleges with high-end GPAs when they go into the workforce they don't know how to do the job. They don't have all the information to do the job. What the company knows is that they have some amount of intellectual capability to do the job and they have enough discipline to stay focused on it, because that's part of the challenge of the educational system, is the beauty of it that you've got to work through, you know, challenging teachers, challenging assignments, different subjects, that sort of thing and if you have the discipline to keep your head down and work through that, that's the quality that companies are valuing. It's not necessarily the knowledge. Now you're learning a good amount, particularly as you're majoring in a particular area, and it's a good foundation. But a lot of people going into companies are blowing up what they learned educationally and they're reteaching a certain industry, particularly if it's, you know, someone who is a leading edge company, because it's been so difficult for the education system to keep up with that sort of thing. So, to answer your question, yes, I think it's going to call for massive transformation of our educational system. I just don't know how quickly it can happen Before you go.
Speaker 1:Do you believe that AI should be part of the current educational system and, if so, at what age should it start being introduced? Well, a couple things. I think AI should start being used yesterday to develop educational curriculums. Now, how they're teaching AI like look when I say it's decades behind. They should be teaching.
Speaker 1:There should be a class on Google. There should have been for the last 20 years. There should have been a class on how to Google stuff, like I can't tell you how many people that I interact with on a regular basis and they have questions. They do not go to Google, they just don't, they assume the answer is not accessible. You know, I can't tell you how many times I've said did you ask Google? Did you go to Google professionally and otherwise? Like no, I didn't think of that.
Speaker 1:So, like educationally, some of those that's what I mean it's behind like, fundamentally, should they have been teaching people how to Google and what to type in and how to interact? I mean, there is, that is an entire art and science, and now it's the same type of thing with chat, gpt. So should there be a class on how to engage with AI? Yes, there should be a class, but to me, that's the very, very minute part where I think AI should be informing the educational system is what sort of characteristics and skills are going to have long-term value propositions. And then, secondly, ai needs to be used to develop those curriculums, because that's probably what's going to allow us to change, and change in a rapid enough way to start to keep up with things. It's my opinion. Do you think there's any danger in getting kids access to that at younger ages?
Speaker 1:Yes yes, I think anything we talked about this with YouTube videos, I think anything that they don't fully understand and don't have context for is super dangerous because they're not going to, they're definitely not going to be able to distinguish a wrong answer from a right one. And if they have access to now, there, there will be apps that come out, just like the internet, that can boil it down and can make it safe. 1000%. You wouldn't give, you wouldn't probably lock a kid in a room with a, with a you know someone under X years of age, with a YouTube and just go search whatever you want. I mean cause that's, they could ask whatever they want. But is there a way? An app will come out soon. It'll be a kid's GPT and they'll be able to interact with it in a safe manner, and I would say all for it, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I'll get to the second part of my answer here, but I think the couple things that come to mind is you talk about you need to build a foundation, because critical thinking, problem solving you mentioned some of those things. I think those are things that we have the luxury of having gone through and societal engagement. I think those are things that the school system can foster. You know, just by the nature of it, in school you are forced to engage with particular people and learn how to deal with different people, different personalities. I think the fear for me, with AI becoming a tool I think it definitely needs to be, but we had the and I don't even know if I'd call it good fortune, because I think you know, even growing up, each of us especially me saw the shortcomings of the school system for certain personality types, certain people. That worked a certain way. You know now, going through that difficult school system helps you learn how to problem solve. But one of the things that I guess we had the luxury of is it built a foundation for us. So now, when we engage with ChatGPT, we can critically look at the response.
Speaker 2:And I knew well, wait, this doesn't make sense. There's no way that my doctor would have prescribed this for me if it had a 10% chance of giving me heart arrhythmia. So I could critically look and say, oh, that doesn't make sense, I need to dive a little bit deeper and see. But if you haven't gone through that, you haven't learned how to critically think, or you learned how to problem solve or learned some of those other foundational skill sets, then I think you can get into real trouble, because there's no true north Outside of the morality that your parents have instilled in you and your values and things like that. There is no true north when it comes to information.
Speaker 2:So laying those foundational things, I think from an educational perspective, is extremely important. Where I'll get existential with this. And so I saw something very interesting and this just, I wonder, about a thousand years from now. So there was a podcast last week. I can't remember who it was, but it was interviewing a lady who deals with nonverbal children, autistic and other things, cerebral palsy, for whatever reason, they can't communicate and they have proven through numerous studies that they can communicate via mind.
Speaker 1:They can still think normally.
Speaker 2:And they can communicate to their parents or other people they feel like. Sit across the room I'm looking at a Mountain Dew can and the kid's behind a piece of cardboard and can draw the Mountain Dew can. That I'm looking at like that kind of communication, but what they believe is that those are elements of the human brain that were needed at some point in time, maybe when we didn't have language to communicate, a language hadn't been developed yet or way of communication. And so I wonder, you know? I think about this in the context of cursive. My kids have learned it for fun.
Speaker 1:I think one of your daughters taught one of my kids I only have one kid that can write cursive, so I know who that is yeah, was it Eden it's.
Speaker 2:Hadley, yeah, so Hadley taught the girls how to write cursive. Yeah, um, but I think about you know, in a thousand years from now, when we don't. I mean gosh, I know I'm like talking like an onion and stopping here and going here, but like, look at Google Maps. 20 years ago I could get anywhere in central Indiana from my head. For the most part there was a couple you know if I was going to Muncie, bring out the big old atlas.
Speaker 2:but yeah, yeah, but if I was going to muncie, you gave me one or two um landmarks I could get to where I was going, or anderson or marion or indy or carmel, whatever. Now there's times where I'm driving home from the hair salon and I pull up. You know how do I get to my house? Um, you know, I don't necessarily need it all the time, but Of course you pull it up every time because of traffic. That's actually why.
Speaker 1:But still like Well, your guys' cars drive themselves. So I don't even know why you.
Speaker 2:You can't. But my point is like I wonder what else erodes and what capacities we lose if we get to a point, because one of the and this is where we can start having fun with this conversation is singularity. What happens when Neuralink gets to the point where it's just here, like you are communicating, it's just a chip in your brain and it's got an infinite amount of information? I wonder.
Speaker 1:Kurzweil thinks that's going to be in the 2040s. Well, I mean, who does Ray Kurzweil thinks that's going to be in the 2040s? Well, I mean, who does Ray Kurzweil? He's a futurist.
Speaker 2:So, like you know, I think that's where we start to have fun with, well, what happens to us physiologically. A lot of people think that, you know, the typical alien that you see represented is what we evolved to, because eventually we don't need to use anything but our brains, because everything is done by robots or machinery, and so all of our, you know, our compute is here, and you know that I mean, and then, and then we can go. I mean there's some fun rabbit holes with this conversation. We can talk about the paperclip problem and sentience. Like you know, I mean I've listened to plenty of podcasts on that.
Speaker 1:I have no idea what that is. So let me ask you this this is a good transition for that. Should it be regulated? I know one of the things in the Catholic circle and I know we haven't really gotten much in spiritually in the last few episodes, but one of the things there is the human dignity and the preservation of human dignity. Should and if so at all, all should it be regulated and how? Other than? I mean I think we all know that like hey, let's regulate it to the point to where it doesn't take over the human species. Right, there's been some concerns about that and some discussion of like they're gonna get smarter than us, and then they're gonna think, okay, how can I do this? Oh well, if I eradicate this species?
Speaker 1:I mean, there's like been some yeah, that Well aside from that, I'm just curious what you guys think about preserving human dignity and keeping some sort of purpose ingrained in us to some extent.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm going to talk about that, so you go ahead.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know if you actually lose purpose, because the current society we live in and the things we I mean, it's changed over 2,000 years. So I would say there's some ethical questions. We have an app that we built that uses AI and it's a prayer app and as you go through and you put your prayers in and you're doing some journaling, after about two weeks it sends you what's called a story and this story just kind of articulates this whole journey and what it's supposed to do is show you how God has worked in your life, because a lot of times things you're praying for two, three, four weeks ago aren't happening until two to three to four weeks later. And it creates this story and it's remarkable and it's like are we crossing that line? Like, should you use it spiritually? What are the good ways? To you know we should use any tool we can to create spiritual awareness and to draw people closer to God.
Speaker 1:In my opinion, like I'll go as far as using addiction to try to get people addicted to prayer, but I don't know because if, at the end of the day, I believe we're here for community and relationships and I can't see where it replaces that. So the soul, part of this, the connection, and I'm going to say it's soul and not brain, the soul, part of this. I'm not sure that that ever goes away. I think there's going to be an innate ability to connect with people that's going to surpass Neuralink or anything, to where we're always going to be drawn, to being part of a community, to being involved, regardless if we need to go to school to learn things, to provide income or we're on UBI and we just become social beings and creatures. I just don't see that actually ever leaving.
Speaker 1:You don't think someone could have five AI friends that they interact with. I don't believe it would ever provide the same connection, because I think connection is there's one thing of like oh well, people, I'm talking to an AI and it talks back, but like I don't think you'll ever be able to replicate, like if you ever had one of them conversations that you go deep with someone and it's just like it's super authentic, it's super vulnerable and you have a I would call it a soul connection. I don't think that's I would call it a soul connection.
Speaker 2:I don't think that's. I think, though, we're losing the ability as a humanity to discern and I say that because of what I mentioned earlier, with the person committed suicide because their AI convinced them to. That's very, very powerful. You know, because you're you know, as we've talked about this, I think, early on, where society is separating further and larger houses right, more contained within a mile radius of your Some are Some where society is separating further and larger houses right, more contained within a mile radius of your Some are.
Speaker 2:Some are yeah Right, but like, for whatever reason and maybe this is, let's call them the COVID generation that was placed in a position where during the formative years maybe it's puberty they were separated from everyone else, or people that were. Maybe this is the detriment of social media that we've heard so much about, where early access to social media changes the way your brain is wired and that's what you look to for your validation. So where we didn't go up with that, we look to relationships and community in the physical form for validation. People are looking to digital forms of validation and so for us, where we get the dopamine hit or that deep soul connection when we're having these, even these conversations, other people may misconstrue that or may or may have rewired themselves to get that positive reinforcement from a digital being. And when you have a digital being that reinforces all the beliefs you have about yourself, it becomes this kind of false idol.
Speaker 1:And it is echo chamber.
Speaker 2:It a hundred percent is, and I you know we can bring it up, maybe next episode or or put it, but there have actually been, very there have been numerous situations, other than the one that I've mentioned, where people have fallen deeply in love or at least that's what they perceive with these different AI models, because they're so lonely and because they've never they were never given that foundation and never built around physical relationships.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if it gets to that, I'm moving to the farm.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, think about it, we're already seeing that, right.
Speaker 1:I mean, kids are now. They've disengaged communally and with friends and they're spending time in their devices, right, and they don't know what it was like to go to the mall and hang out with their friends. It's like either. I mean, at least they're interacting with other human beings on the other side of these digital devices in some cases, but in other cases they're just interacting with these devices and that's the fulfillment. They know to your point and they can get used to that.
Speaker 1:That'll feed you dopamine all day and I think take me back a hundred years, though, when your main interaction was just your family and you all worked on a farm and you worked together, and that that was. It wasn't about this you got to have 50 friends, or you got to be in these classes or do these things. It was, you had six to eight to ten kids, and they all worked together, and that the community.
Speaker 2:I think you probably had a little bit more than that. What did they say? There's a number, I think it's 150, 150 is is the is the inflection point at which I'm. I'm going to butcher this so I'm not going to go any further, but there has. There's something to do with that being kind of the tipping point for community size, when it gets to be too large and then starts to kind of collapse in on itself without the proper structures in place from a societal perspective. But anyways, no, I mean, I think the difference between you know, I think the difference between what we're talking about and that is that now families might have a single kid. I don't think we're going to see it as much because I think we've realized somewhat of the error of our ways. I think there was a generation where it was like here you go, peace, because they didn't know what kind of damage that caused. You call it the younger millennials.
Speaker 1:Now I think we're Smoking in the 60s, right? They?
Speaker 2:didn't know Everyone smoked.
Speaker 1:I think your point on the human capability evolving and us losing ability, I mean we've seen that physically. Think about physically. We were machines, I mean they were surviving, we were hunter-gatherers. I mean we talked about this a little bit Walked to the. West. I mean we would walk like hundreds of miles.
Speaker 2:Our great-great-grandfather walked here from Philadelphia.
Speaker 1:Chase I mean chasing animals, I mean living in caves, like during the dead of winter in the Midwest. I mean our bodies were and physically we have lost so much of that. I think it's naive to think that we won't continue to lose capacities that we don't need to survive. And I will tell you one of the-.
Speaker 2:Is that a bad?
Speaker 1:thing. Well, here's one area that I think is a bad thing. A lot of times I'm like I'm gonna try not to make this a holy war, but here we go.
Speaker 1:Christ Harris, it's not a holy war here. So part of the appeal of the Catholic faith to some Catholics are the fact that it was this. There's this original lineage back to Christ. And then 1600 years later, 1587, right, martin Luther, in response to some corruption within the church, right, said you know, I want to do things this way. And now we've got like 16,000 denominations of people doing things different ways and kind of saying you know, we talked about the Eucharist and is that really the true body and blood? And for 1587 years it was. And then we decided no, it's probably not, it's a symbol, right, and everyone that was a Christian believed that, including Martin Luther. And so then I think what's interesting about this is historically and you've even said this CJ is like well, you got to be careful with that argument because historically those weren't the brightest of the bunch, right, we've continued to learn a lot and develop cognitively and become more sophisticated, and so people in the around the turn of the initial millennia, around zero and the thousand and whatever, like, did they have the cognitive capability to really discern transubstantiation or consubstantiation or whether or not that was the true.
Speaker 1:I would argue that, like for me at least, in this environment of distraction. You talk about discernment and the ability to continue to do that. There is so much noise and distraction. I would err on the side of thinking that it's hundreds of years ago. They were in a much better place to discern direction spiritually than probably we are today.
Speaker 1:And so some of that, as I look back on that, we're redefining our own rules and our own societal context and, like well, in this day and age there are some things that are either more convenient or just make more sense to us. Now I'm really really cautious and hesitant to throw out what has been established through thousands of years across dozens of different civilizations and societies and somehow lasted, and then it's just really convenient for us to say, ah, they didn't know what the heck they were talking about. We're going to kind of redefine the rules this way and redraw the lines. I think it's dangerous talking about we're going to kind of redefine the rules this way and redraw the lines. I think it's dangerous. But my point is to circle back is I think, yes, it can be a bad thing when we lose the capacity to do things that we once exercised very meaningfully.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if we figure out, I mean, and I and I wonder, you know, brain versus let's call it, let's call it a separation brain versus soul. You know the brain? I was listening to a podcast the other day. It was something to do with physiology or running or whatever, and the comment was the brain always wins. It's figuring out how to dance with the brain and at times, get it to, um, back off a little bit and and kind of, you know, be comfortable in certain situations. So I say that, um, as it relates to losing my train of thought.
Speaker 1:Well, I'll jump in because, as I heard you talk like, thinking of times when maybe I think there's mind, body, soul or mental, physical, spiritual, however you want to define it At what time were all those at a peak right? Like what I heard you say, todd, is maybe our spiritual awareness or ability to connect to the divine has deteriorated over time. Mentally, we've either deteriorated or got better over time. Physically, we're seeing a deterioration currently, like as you think back through the centuries. It's just fascinating to see probably different civilizations in different times. They were heightened in certain areas and certain. I wonder if there was ever a point in time when all three were optimized.
Speaker 2:Getting back to my really quickly getting back to finishing my thought is saying mine if the mind figures out, I can satiate this need, like this soul need, through this method that requires me to do nothing, Because to fulfill this soulful need in the right way, it's sitting down and having a long conversation with somebody or experiencing something unique together, versus, oh well, if I can just pick this phone up and tell it all my problems and whatever, and it'll fulfill it right back to me and I don't have to do anything. And you know, the brain, as we're experiencing, is seemingly wired to do as little as possible. If it's got that option, you know, does it just say I don't need that anymore, I'm going to go this route and I'm going to do this. You know, back to one of our prior episodes where we talk about the spirit of doing hard things. It's this constant push and pull, and so it kind of yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:To me it's a fit. To me it's a fit thing. I think the further you go back, the better on all three fronts. And here's why because our brain and our mind and our a lot of our, even our physiology, developed and evolved during I mean spiritually, whether it's tens of thousands or millions of years or whatever evolved and we continue to find ourselves in a more and more different environment than what our mind and our brain and our body was wired for. So that's the thing. Like you're talking about these tendencies, the reason the mind is like, hey, can I find this shortcut? Is because that was needed to survive. At one point in time you had to take the shortest path, you had to take the most efficient path, because if you didn't it might mean you die, and today it doesn't. And so the brain is still wired for that age back in the day.
Speaker 1:And when I feel like when I say go back further and further, I'm kind of under the interpretation that from a labor perspective, the further you go back, the more physical labor there was to be able to survive. Right, it was hunting and gathering and chasing animals and killing them and cooking them and whatever to like. Then it went to farming, which is still very physically laborious relative to what we have today. But the human body has continued to be and there were more shelters right, and so the human body has continued to be put under fewer and fewer, lesser and lesser pressure. So from a body perspective, I think the further you go back, probably the better. Spiritually, the same thing the more simple things were, the less distractions there were, the less noise. I mean, that was the centerpiece of the world for a very, very long time and it seems to have slowly deteriorated and maybe there was a period of thousands of years where it was kind of a plateau before these major industrial and technological revolutions. But I would say, arguably, the further you go back, there was more simplicity and more focus on the divine. Whether that's going back to, you know, even depending on again what your religion is, that goes all the way back to the Greeks and then you know, prior to Jesus, the Jewish religion like it was the center of everything.
Speaker 1:And then, from a mind perspective, again, the further you go back, the more you're in a period where your mind was actually more. You're in a period that your mind was actually developed to be in right, because I think there was a extended period of time where you know, when you were a hunter-gatherer, there would probably be thousands of years before there was meaningful change in the environment. I mean today it's like what changes in 10 years was probably a thousand years of change back in the day, and so mentally I feel like our minds evolved in a period that was probably similar to what people were living in for a period of time, and now it's just so different. That's why I think our minds so you asked me that question I'd say the further back the better. Now they suffered in different ways, right?
Speaker 1:They lived till they were 30 or 40. They were 30, the disease, the gosh, the different things that they had to deal with, inconveniences, discomforts. So we need to be cautious. When we say mind-body, it's not that they live more convenient lives, but I would say the body was in the best shape, the mind was probably the most connected. But obviously it's different today. Our conveniences, our temperature and heck, we've got shoes. I mean, mean we just we've got it. All this is we're living in the greatest time in the history of mankind.
Speaker 1:As with the most mental illness but it depends on how you define that well, you know it's interesting.
Speaker 2:It almost seems like it's this paradox the more we uncover from a technological advancement perspective, the more solutions to problems we find, which we are wired to to solve problems, we go back to what we lose. I think we've mentioned both of these stories in prior episodes, but one is storytelling. That was it. That's all you had until the printing press right, and yes, there are ancient scripts out there that people have uncovered, but for the most part, I cannot imagine what it would be like being told a story, even when we were younger and hearing stories from adults. It was a much more refined ability that we've basically lost, I think. The other one, something that I recognized the other day.
Speaker 2:I was in Tennessee with an individual who grew up in the woods and watching him look over the landscape and like, call things out that there's no way. Like, like, what are you talking? Oh yeah, that used to be an old farm road. What are you talking about? Oh yeah, can't you see the way it does this? Or oh, this is this, or this is this, or this is this. And I'm just like you know, and, and we were talking about and I think those abilities are still there. Uh, he was explaining to me an individual that he knew that through his shoes could feel the difference in the foliage on the ground so that he knew how to navigate. But you had to have that back then. So, like a lot of those senses that we're talking about deteriorating, I think we still have the ability to engage there. But the more we uncover and the more shortcuts we find which is continually happening the less we need it and the more we become.
Speaker 1:So here's the million dollar question. If you were I'm going to call it independently wealthy, you could just right now quit your job. You got a couple million dollars. Why keep doing all this? Why keep going down the rabbit hole, chasing whatever and trying to? It's kind of similar to like a diet versus fasting. Like we live on a diet of life, of like well, we need some of this, but not too much of this. Like why not pull your kids out? Start a homestead, start a farm, do like go back to the earth, still have the conveniences of medicine and things. Homeschool your kids, teach them about technology in a way, teach them about hard work. Like if the mind always wins.
Speaker 1:I mean we're just, we're fat and happy. I mean that's the problem. I mean for me, what keeps me driving? I don't know what you mean by all this, but for me it's purpose and the ability to put myself and embed myself. There are a lot of people that I am with spiritually that talk about that. Let's go build a commune out in the woods and just do our thing and like disconnect. But to me I feel like I've got an obligation to do what I can to leave this place better off than I found it and leave the people better off than I found it in. So, like this project, like each and I, my goal here is to help people reconnect spiritually, and I don't think you can do that if you're not embedding yourself in that society and learning those people and connecting with people to do ever to do that. So for me it's a purpose.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, for me it's, it's. I think we're at a point I'm sure people have been saying this for hundreds of years or tens of years at least that maybe we're. We're seeing the pendulum swing back Like this is. This is really, I mean.
Speaker 2:Yes, physical fitness has been around for decades, right, and there have been different booms and busts in terms of the fads that have come and gone, but I think now more than ever, there is an effort to recreate the experiences of old.
Speaker 2:No, we're not building our homes by hand, but you're seeing a hopeful at least you're seeing the tip of the spear in regards to people getting into the gym and people doing endurance efforts and people being people actually caring about what they eat, and we're uncovering those things and you know, we're looking at where these big holes are and taking care of ourselves.
Speaker 2:And then we're we're recognized the mistakes that we made potentially with social media, and where it's good and where it's bad. So I think for me, the hope is is that we can we're recognized the mistakes that we made potentially with social media, and where it's good and where it's bad. So I think for me, the hope is that we can we're this unique and not to pat ourselves on the back as being this special generation, but between millennial and Gen X or whatever we're. This unique generation, like some of the generations have been before us in certain circumstances that have experienced both sides of the pendulum. We were there before the internet and we've grown up from essentially the first personal computer on. You know, and seeing technology evolve this way hopefully help land the pendulum in the right spot and bring people back before AI copies itself out of the system and takes over and kills everyone. That's a great place to end. We got to unplug.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, that was a lot of AI. I mean, we've covered a lot. Do you guys have any? You want to add any other final thoughts to that? No, we kind of covered that and then some. Yeah Well, today I was fascinated. I love the insights. Listen to TJ and Todd and just kind of going through that exercise, I think there's a ton of opportunity with AI. But I also heard don't take it as the Bible literally and figuratively, Like when you get information on there, use it as a resource and a tool, but not as the only thing. So I would highly encourage you guys, whether you're in business or you're an individual, to spend some time there learning about some of the tools and things are out, but ultimately, don't listen to everything it tells you to do. So thanks for tuning in. We'll see you next time.